“I've never been married, though I was engaged once back in college ...but that ended back in 2001. I'll be completing my masters Dec. 2008. While I'd like to complete my ten years where I'm working at now (after I graduate it'll only be 2.5 years left)... for the right guy, I'd be willing to move before then.”
“I like to think of myself as mellow and friendly. I have solid priorities but respect people of all backgrounds. I've always been proud of the fact that I count among my friends conservatives, liberals, republicans, democrats. The variety can be a little challenging but also extremely rewearding. I feel very blessed!”
“A curious introvert. I've been around the world on mission trips and for work, but most weekends I prefer to sit home with my cats, a cup of coffee and a good book. I've worked as an Interpreter for the deaf in public schools, a robotics programmer, and a janitor. I absolutely hated English in school but now I write (one book of poetry finished and one fantasy novel looking for a publisher/agent.) I'm not good at creating art but I do appreciate it.”
Growing up, I was always the "great guy" with a "good heart" who reminded women I was interested in "of their brother," and not much has changed. Am I sending off the wrong signals when looking for a relationship, or am I misinterpreting the signals women send me? How long should I pursue a woman before I would know the difference between "just friends" and "more than just friends"? Am I looking for the wrong kinds of women? Or worse, am I just doomed to be everyone’s brother and confidante? Thanks, Kevin in Wichita, KS
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Thanks for your letter. I suspect there are millions of men who are dealing with the same kind of problem. Society certainly does tend to give us mixed signals. Women will often say that they want a man who can communicate—a man who knows what’s going on inside him. Time and time again "kindness" is rated as the most important thing that women want in a mate.
On the other hand, men who are soft or sensitive often turn women off. And, ironically, one of the worst things a man can hear from a date is that he’s a "nice guy."
You’ve asked several questions, but based on the situation you describe I believe one of two things is happening.
These women just don't feel a strong sense of chemistry with you.
If you’ve been out with five women in the last five months and each has told you that they just want to be friends, it is likely that they just don’t feel a strong sense of chemistry and are searching for a nice way to end the relationship. I can appreciate your frustration, but in this scenario you're not creating the problem. The best solution is to keep reaching out to your eHarmony matches and remain positive.
You are, unintentionally, hampering a woman’s ability to see you as a love interest.
This is a harder situation to resolve because it involves examining yourself and considering what signals you may be giving a woman. The first few dates you share with a woman are VERY different from the rest of your relationship. This is a period where both people are "looking" for indications of what sort of relationship partner the other will be. Assumptions are being made with very little information, and you need to be aware how those assumptions play into attraction.
What women look for in a man When I talk to women about the men they are attracted to, I hear a few things over and over. In the space of a few hours your date is observing you to try and determine if you are all these things:
Kind
Have a great sense of humor
Emotionally strong and stable
Confident
Confidence is often the quality that men overlook. I’m not talking about an annoying swagger. This is a quiet confidence that plays across your entire demeanor. Confident men are not overeager. They are kind, but don't bend over backwards to prove their accessibility and desirability. They understand that early in a relationship there are some important boundaries and that being too eager to please and needy is perceived poorly by most women. Kevin, this can be complex stuff, because most women love a gentleman, but they want a gentleman who possess a sense of strength about who he his and what kind of relationship he wants. This leads me to your question about knowing the difference in a romantic relationship and "just friends" relationship. That is all about chemistry.
Let’s talk about chemistry If you’re dating someone and you both share a strong sense of chemistry it won’t be long before you know it. Many women have a policy against kissing on the first date, but by the second or third date a woman who has a strong physical attraction for you is going to want to kiss you. And if, by the third date, you’ve spent some romantic time together and not yet had a kiss, it’s probably time to give it a try. If she is interested you’ll know, and if she isn’t . . . you’ll know that as well.
By making a few small changes to the ways you interact during the first few dates, I’m confident that you’ll appear less as the "sweet guy who women want as a best friend" and more like a potential romantic interest who can become a great friend.
Jan mentioned some actions that make a date seem 'just like a brother' to her, including some that are important physical connectivity to me such as teasing and being physically playful. So, I've probably been giving the wrong signals too. But ladies, what actions can men take that make you see him with romantic potential? If you answer this, please be specific. "Chases after me" doesn't really help us, because it's vague. When I chase after a girl, I feel like I'm being clingy, and the body language she gives seems to say the same. What makes you feel chased? Is it a verbal thing? Is it body language? Or do you expect actual actions (ie. do you flirt with guys to see him get jealous?)
Hi, Abashment, and all of you other great guys,
I'd suggest:
Making the first date plans, the time and date - paying the first time. Women (or men) hate to deal with the "whatever you want to do...anything's OK... I don't care...) type of making plans. If your date offers to pay her share (which she should on a matched first date), you decline, telling her that next time she may.
Listen, really listen. (this works both for guys and girls) When someone really feels you are truly interested in her/his life, they are much more receptive to you and trusting of you. Stifle your inclination to tell your date everything about yourself - many dates are ruined by the guy and girl each telling all of their good points to the point of not hearing what the other person is saying. Believe me, if you are a good listener, you will be considered a 'great coversationalist'.
Doing something active on the first or second date - you want to create memories together, after all. Find something that neither of you have ever done, but which is within safe boundaries, and enjoy - bowling, laser tag, paintball,a picnic in winter, a canoe ride....the mishaps will help you laugh together - maximize your laugh together time!!! For example, if neither of you have ever bowled for example, have the kiddie bumpers set up for you! You'll be hysterically laughing by the 2nd game! If you have a picnic, decide who will bring what, giving each an opportunity to be creative.
Seductive games (no, not x-rated, or at least not immediately) - Shoot pool, play backgammon or cribbage, foosball, for small odds ( a drink, e.g.,) - even let her win, at first. then play for backrubs (a woman's complete downfall!)....after a couple of dates, it's amazing what can be turned into a 'strip' game! There truly is NO losing here!
Take turns making dates - she'll learn about your favorite things, and you'll learn about hers. And you both may find new interests, or at least an appreciation for each other's interests. One guy I dated taught me to shoot; another taught me to carve clay pottery. Neither relationship worked out in the end, but I was intrigued.
Ideas for dates:
Mystery train (or theater)
Sports event (get the best tickets possible, supply her with an appropriate sweatshirt, and tell her the object is to go nuts!)...
Symphony - if you enjoy classical; it can be a real intimate experience - lots of handholding.
Ballroom dancing - or lessons if you need - remember this genre includes some pretty hot dances - tango, cha-cha, swing, rhumba, salsa - you'd be amazed how sexy it is to swing your date around!
No-gos for new relationships!
A weekend tent camping trip
Visit with the parents
Video rentals
watching all of the games on tv
Whatcha think?
Hotel anything
HI, I appreciate the article and the information regarding confidence. I got married when I was quite young and became a father and had gotten divorced when I was 21. I spent most of my twenties struggling with paying bills, child support, and trying to be a father. I did not have anytime for dating. I didn't start dating until I was in my thirties and early forties. Unfortunately, I was never in a strong position financially until the last six years. So, I guess, my question is, how does one become more confident? Is it by having more dating opportunities? I don't get many opportunities to meet women so, its hard for me. Plus when I do, I don't have much success with the women I would meet, I always ended up in the "Friend Zone." What can I do? Thanks.
My advice to you is to let them know that you're interested in more than just friends. A few hints: bouquet of flowers, compliments, open the car door, look into her eyes, ask her when is her birthday & buy her a gift, know her favorite color, etc. You need to do things that a "male friend" don't do. My male friends don't do the things I just mentioned. And when the time is right, let her know that you're interested in seeking a relationship with her.Remember: Timing is everything!
Hah! Story of my life-LOL!!!
I used to be 265 lbs. (on a 5' 7" frame), I went bald in my early-twenties, I'm no athlete, etc., etc. For years I attributed my lack of success with woman to either my looks or the "big brother" syndrome that seems to happen to nice, shy guys. All the women love to talk to the nice guys, but then they go and date the jerks.
So, I wound up in hospital, in the ICU and after I pulled through, I got healthy. Dropped 80+ lbs., exercised, dressed better-the works. Yet, still I was the "nice guy". Well, it wasn't the looks that was the problem-it was me.
I entered therapy and learned a lot of what happens to me (almost all of it, actually) stems from signals that I send out. I was being treated like a brother because i was sending ZERO in the way of sexual signals. I was like a Ken Doll-LOL! I found out that its OK to be a nice guy, its Ok to be a gentleman, and its OK to be sensitive and caring-AS LONG AS you don't hide the other aspects of yourself that tell a woman: "Oh, Hell Yes I'm interested!!!"
So I started to try this new (and scary) approach. Guess what? I got some dates on EHarmony!!! I'm still not comfortable with "showing" myself-so to speak, and ithas hindered me at times. But I'm getting better at doing it! I haven't had to sacrifice my morals, my personality or my character. All I've done is added an element of sexualness that I was not showing before.
Confidence is indeed the secret weapon. I still am not 100% confident in the "sexy" me-but I'm getting there. Ultimately, I hope to strike an equal balance between me-the nice guy, and me-the sexy beast-LOL!!!
Wish me luck-and good luck to all the shy guys out there. I'm rooting for you, brothers!
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